Monday 29 April 2013

Now for something completely different!


John Dove is recorded in the Glasgow 1838/1839 Post Office Trade Directory
as a Basket Maker at 3 Charlotte Lane.


Charlotte Lane ran between St. Andrew’s Square and London Road.

The only John Dove found on the 1841 Census (transcriptions) in the immediate area was as follows:

Living at St. Andrews Square, Glasgow
Donald Dove, age 33 Basket Maker, born c1808, Lanarkshire
Isabel Dove, age 31, born c1810, Lanarkshire
John Dove, age 5, born c1836, Lanarkshire
Janet  Dove, age 1, born c1840, Lanarkshire

The above Donald Dove married Isobel Anderson at Glasgow
On 26th August 1831 (IGI)

By 1851, the family had grown

Donald Dove, Head, age 42 Basket Maker, born c1809, Glasgow
Isabella Dove, Wife, age 40, born c1811, Glasgow
John Dove, Son, age 14, Basket Maker, born c1837, Glasgow
Janet  Dove, Daughter, age 11, Scholar, born c1840, Glasgow
James Dove, Son, age 7, Scholar, born c1844, Glasgow
Donald Dove, Son, age 9, born c1842, Glasgow
Mary Dove, Daughter, age 3, born c1848, Glasgow
Thomas Dove, Son, age 1, born c1850, Glasgow


1861 Census

Donald Dove, Head, age 54, Basket Maker, born c1807, Glasgow
Isabel Dove, Wife, age 52, born c1809, Glasgow
John Dove, Son, age 24, Basket Maker, born c1837, Glasgow
Janet  Dove, Daughter, age 21, Milliner, born c1840, Glasgow
Donald Dove, Son, age 20, , born c1843, Glasgow
James Dove, Son, age 18, Basket Maker, born c1845, Glasgow
Mary Dove, Daughter, age 14, Scholar, born c1847, Glasgow
Thomas Dove, Son, age 11, Scholar, born c1850, Glasgow


The above listings are from the 1863 Glasgow Post Office Directory and quite clearly show
that there was a Donald AND a John Dove, both involved in the basket trade in one way
or another, so they may have been related although no research had been carried out
to either prove or disprove this.



As can be seen in the above listing from the 1876/87 Post Office Directory,
it appears that father and son, John Dove Senior and Junior included into their wares
‘Perambulators’

John Dove junior married Ann (or Annie) Scaling c1865 and by 1881 were living
at Rosslyn Terrace, Nithsdale Road, Glasgow

John Dove, Head, age 46, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer
(employing 6 men, 3 boys & 5 girls), born c1835, Glasgow
Annie Dove, Wife, age 38, born c1843, England
Donald Dove, Son, age 15, Scholar, born c1866, Glasgow
Sarah Dove, Daughter, age 15, Scholar, born c1866, Glasgow
William Dove, Son, age 13, Scholar, born c1868,Glasgow
Isabella Anderson Dove, Daughter, age 10, Scholar, born c1871, Glasgow
John Dove, Son, age 7, Scholar, born c1874, Glasgow
Annie Dove, Daughter, age 3, born c1878, Glasgow

His younger brother James had also married and in 1881
was living at 60 Abbotsford Place, Glasgow.

James Dove, Head, age 38, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer
(employing 6 men, 3 boys & 5 girls), born c1843, Glasgow
Jessie Dove, Wife, age 28, born c1853, Glasgow
Isabella Dove*, Daughter, age 1, born c1880, Glasgow

*Isabella Dove is subsequently found living with aunts and uncles
in 1891 and 1901, perhaps her parents both died young.

Also in 1881, the remainder of John’s siblings are found living at
Monteith Row, Glasgow – all appear unmarried.

Janet L. Dove, Head, age 41, Income from Property, born c1840, Glasgow
Donald Dove, Brother, age 38, Income from Property, born c1843, Glasgow
Mary L. Dove, Sister, age 34, Income from Property, born c1847, Glasgow
Thomas A. Dove, Brother, age 31, Basket Manufacturer, born c1850, Glasgow


In almost every Glasgow Post Office Directory, one or more members of the Dove Family
placed adverts of one kind or another, but prior to 1883, most of them had been half
or quarter pages consisting mainly of text but from 1883 onwards,
perambulators (or prams to most people) seem to play a large part of their business
as the ad’s now went to full page size.

The following adverts show how styles changed over a 30 year span.

1883-1885

1886-1887

1887-1888

1888-1889

1889 - 1892

By 1891, John Dove Junior and family had moved to 27 Newark Drive,
Pollokshields, Glasgow

John Dove, Head, age 53, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer,
born c1838, Glasgow
Annie Dove, Wife, age 48, born c1842, England
Sarah Dove, Daughter, age 25, born c1866, Glasgow
William S. Dove, Son, age 23, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer,
born c1868,Glasgow
Isa. A. Dove, Daughter, age 20, born c1871, Glasgow
John Dove, Son, age 17, Scholar, born c1874, Glasgow
Annie S. Dove, Daughter, age 13, Scholar, born c1878, Glasgow

His siblings were still living at Monteith Row, alongside Glasgow Green

Janet L. Dove, Head, age 51, Living on Private Means, born c1840, Glasgow
Donald Dove, Brother, age 49, Annuitant, born c1842, Glasgow
Mary L. Dove, Sister, age 44, Living on Private Means, born c1847, Glasgow
Thomas A. Dove, Brother, age 41, Basket Manufacturer, born c1850, Glasgow
Isabel A. Dove, Niece, age 11, born c1880, Glasgow

1892-1893

1895-1896

1896 - 1900

John Dove Junior and family are found 10 years later at the same address,
27 Newark Drive Pollokshields

John Dove, Head, age 65, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer, born c1836, Glasgow
Anne Dove, Wife, age 59, born c1842, England
Donald Dove, Son, age 35, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer, born c1866, Glasgow
Sarah Dove, Daughter, age 35, born c1866, Glasgow
William S. Dove, Son, age 33, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer,
born c1868,Glasgow
John Dove Jnr., Son, age 27, Basket & Perambulator Manufacturer,
born c1874, Glasgow
Annie S. Dove, Daughter, age 23, born c1878, Glasgow

His siblings had all moved to Milngavie and were found living at
‘Willowbel’ on Baldernock Road.

Janet Livingstone Dove, Head, age 58, Annuitant, born c1843, Glasgow
Donald Dove, Brother, age 56, born c1845, Glasgow
Mary Livingstone Dove, Sister, age 51, born c1850, Glasgow
Thomas Anderson Dove, Brother, age 49, Basket Manufacturer, born c1852, Glasgow
Isabel Anderson Dove, Niece, age 21, Annuitant, born c1880, Glasgow

The above article was found in the Edinburgh Gazette
November 24th 1903, Page 1283

1913-1914

The Dove ‘extended’ family owned quite an amount of property
(as listed on the 1913/14 Valuation Roll)

St. Andrew’s Square:
Nos. 14 & 15 – Warehouse
No. 16 – House (containing 17 separate rented properties)
Nos. 17 & 18 – Store
Nos. 19 & 20 – Warehouse
No. 35 – Stable
No. 41 – Warehouse

St. Andrew’s Street:
No. 31 – Warehouse

Charlotte Lane:
No. 7 – Store
No. 9 - Ree (?)
No. 27 – Store
No. 28 – Store & House (containing 13 separate rented properties)

The Glasgow Herald of 30th December 1944 carries a ‘Death’ Notice for a Donald Dove


In the same issue, his Obituary:


There would seem little doubt that each and every one of the Doves were related.

Sorting out who was who, who did what, who stayed where .....
just might be a project for the future!


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Thursday 25 April 2013

Needle in a Haystack?


A Search for Sisters

Information had come from family sources which were based on handed-down verbal descriptions that Annie Edgar, who died around 1930, was buried in a cemetery in the Glasgow area.

The description was that it was thought to be near Hogganfield Loch and
that there was a Jewish Section in the cemetery.

The only place matching that description had to be Riddrie Park.



Annie Edgar had married, but who she married was unknown.
She had an elder sister Isabel whom had died a few years earlier – sometime around 1925.
It was unknown whether Isabel had married.

Their parents were thought to be David and Mary Edgar.

Not much to go on!

However, the clue that narrowed things down, was the fact that the Jewish section is at the
extreme west end of the cemetery and that the nearest sections to this
might be either ‘A’ or ‘B’ so either of these could be where the sisters were laid to rest.

A large portion of Section A is cordoned off as it sits above old mine-workings
and the whole area is at risk of subsidence. The remaining area still accessible, but
after a thorough search, no existing stone bearing the surname Edgar was found.

On to Section B!

Again, every existing stone was scrutinized – but still nothing.

Section B

Just at the point of admitting defeat, the edge of a stone - just visible – almost
entirely engulfed by a huge rhododendron bush appeared.


After attempting to avoid a million bumble-bees buzzing around ……

Lo and behold – TWO EDGAR SISTERS!!!


Inscription:

Fleming
Sacred to the memory of my dear wife NAN EDGAR
Who died 9th March 1930 aged 31 years
ISABELL EDGAR her sister died 3rd June 1924 aged 31 years

The details didn’t match exactly, but as everything else was a bit vague,
 it HAD to be them!

Isobel’s name had changed slightly in spelling and Annie had become Nan, but most importantly,
the inscription revealed Annie’s married name of Fleming.

A search for a marriage revealed the full details:

On the 24th December 1920, at 10 Queen Margaret Crescent, Glasgow
Robert Fleming, Commercial Traveller, age 24
Son of John Fleming, Farmer and Annie Fleming nee Ferguson
and
Annie Robina Porteous Edgar, age 22
Daughter of David Edgar, Commercial Traveller and Mary Edgar nee McFarlane
The couple both listed their place of residence as 15 Arlington Street, Glasgow
Their witnesses were David Edgar and Isabella Edgar

A subsequent search for Annie’s death verified that this was the same person.

Annie and her family are found on the 1901 Census as follows:

Living at 14 Cathedral Street, Glasgow
David Edgar, Head, age 43, Storeman, South Knapdale, Argyll
Mary Edgar, wife, age 36, Glasgow
David Edgar, son, age 16, Scholar, Glasgow
Isabella Edgar, daughter, age 9,  England
Annie R. Edgar, daughter, age 2, Glasgow


The moral of the story?

A needle CAN be found in a haystack!!


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